Tuesday, November 28, 2017

John Dods [1575-1652]

 There has been a lot of misinformation about John Dods, my 10th great grandfather on my dad's side of the family. Who was born in 1575 in Great Neck, Yorkshire, England and died November 21,1652 in Jamestown, Virginia, and here is the information that I have about John Dods:

The Dodson's originate from the Jamestown colony and to the orginial John Dodd. 
John Dodd(son) came to America from England aboard the "Susan Constant", commanded by Captain Christopher Newport. There were two other ships on this voyage, the "Goodspeed", with Capt. Bartholomew "Gosnold" and the "Discovery", with Capt. John Ratcliffe. They saw the Virginia Capes on April 26, 1607. After exploring the waters of Hampton Roads they proceeded up a broad river about thirty-two miles. They named this river the James. After exploring the river, Capt Newport left one hundred and four to form a settlement, and sailed to England.
Due to the poor location of the colony and the Indians, by September there were only forty-six survivors. The colony which had been named Jamestown in honor of King James, was the site of disease, starvation and internal problems, however our John Dodd(son) survived. After a period of twelve years and more than eighteen hundred immigrants having come from England to Jamestown, there still were only six hundred colonists surviving.
In the year 1619 a ship brought over to Jamestown eighty women as prospective wives. The colonist could get a wife, with her permission, by paying her transportation in the amount of one hundred and twenty pounds of tobacco. It is not known for sure whether John Dodson bought a wife or married an Native American wife, however he is known to have two sons - Jesse and William. There may have been other children, one of whom may have been Benjamin. Jesse was born about 1621 and William about 1623.

Dods, John . . . . -- Age 36 in Virginia Muster, January 24, 1624/5.
(Also on John Smith's list of The First Settlers as "Laborer".
Listing in muster, cit. 3, gives date of arrival as April, 1607;
his wife, Jane, was also listed, but would have arrived on a later ship.)
Susan Constant (Also listed in some sources as the Sarah Constant)
December 20, 1606, departed London and arrived April 26, 1607, at Virginia. See Ship & Passenger Information
June 22, 1607, the Susan Constant, accompanied by the Godspeed, departed Jamestown, Virginia, and arrived in England on July 29, 1607.
Group: Labourer
Region: Lincolnshire
Age about 18. Arrived on Susan Constant, listed on the Virginia musters 1622 and 1624 as at Neck-of-land, Charles City, so survived 1622 massacre and may well have family descendants.
Dods is one of only three 1607 settlers still alive in 1624. He also went with George Percy in the Pinnace when Smith in the Discovery went to visit Powhatan at Werowocomoco, and during the visit, built a house for Powhatan. This would probably have been of the same 'mud and stud' type of dwelling that has been found at Jamestown, and is unique to the East Lincolnshire area.
More About John Dods:
Immigration: 26 Apr 1607, North Carolina
Notes for Jane Eagle Plume:

Not positive this is his wife. Originally had her husband listed as John DODS. Later info changed this but had his wife listed as unknown. Leaving this in until more is proven.
Marriage Notes for John Dods and Jane Plume:
Married: Abt 1606 in Jamestown Virginia
Event: Alt. Marriage 1602 in England
Event: Alt. Marriage 1619 in General Court Of Jamestown
More About John Dods and Jane Plume:
Marriage: Abt. 1606, Jamestown, VA


The Eagle Plume/Dodson myth seems to reappear about every six months or so. Many of us want this to be true to have a direct lineage back to the Ancient Planters of Jamestown, but so many researchers have looked for that true connection and it has NEVER been found. We have discussed this matter over and over in this and other forums but still this myth appears on the internet.
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Here is my viewpoint:

John Dods did survive the two Native American massacres and he and his wife Jane are found in the 1624 "The Muster of the Inhabitants of the neck-of-land in the corporation of Charles City in Virginia taken the 24th of January 1624" Source: "Adventures of Purse and Person Virginia 1607-1624/5" by Virginia M. Meyer and John Frederick Dorman, 1987, 3rd ed., p. 8-9. see below:

"The Muster of John Dods

John Dods aged 36 yeares in the Susan Constant April 1607
Jane his wife aged 40 years

Provisions: Corne, 10 barrells; Pease, 1/2 bushell; Fish, 1/2 hundred. Armes and Munition: Powder, 4 lb; lead and bulletts, 30 lb; Peeces fixt, 2; Coat of Male, 1 and a head peece; sword, 1. Poultrie, 30. houses: house, 1."

This book contains the descendancy of many other early Virginia surnames out to four generations. The surname Dods is NOT continued anywhere else in the book.

Please note that NO children are mentioned in this muster for John Dods (done in 1624/5--i.e., no Jesse Dodson born in 1623), whereas many other children are listed by name for the other family musters in this census.

The book does NOT show the Dods' with apostrophe (i.e., believed to indicate that his name is really Dodson), only Dods.

The book does NOT explain why there is an absence of the name of the immigration ship after Jane Dods name; however, in the muster roll just after the muster of John Dods (the muster of William Vincene), the wife Joane aged 42 yeares does not have the name of the immigration ship as well. I see NO explanation for this oversight and the book does NOT specifically state that these women were both native American and therefore had NO ships. Even so, is Jane supposed to be Eagle Plume or what? Also age 40 is a little old to start a family especially since over 340 of your neighbors were just killed by the Native Americans.
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Williams and Lucas, "The Dodson (Dotson) Family of North Farnham Parish, Richmond County, Virginia", Vol. 1, p. vi, Publisher's Preface:
"A word of warning concerning trying to claim kinship with people with whom we cannot prove a relationship, i.e.: Are we kin to the "John Dodson, 1607 of Jamestown, Virginia, or Benjamin Dodson, c. 1652 of Essex County, Virginia? Some people would like to say that these men are the direct ancestors of Charles Dodson who died in 1701. They state that a John Dodson came with Captain John Smith in 1607 and the John Dodson had sons Jesse and William Dodson. It is further stated that the aforementioned Jesse Dodson was the father of Charles Dodson, born about 1649 and died about 1701, in Richmond Co., Virginia....(and so on, then) it must be stated unequivocably that no legal records exist to prove this hypothetical descendancy of Charles Dodson." Williams and Lucas looked for decades on the Dodsons.
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One book came out of Austin, Texas which claimed this Jesse to Charles descendency but NO proof was ever given. We researchers continue to ask for proof to those who continue to repeat this myth on the Web pages and internet, and still NO PROOF has ever come forth. Make no mistake, we would welcome any new facts on this hypothesis or any other information relating to the true father of Charles Dodson. We have been working for years to this resolve.
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"The Registers of North Farnham Parish 1663-1814 and Lunenburg Parish 1783-1800 Richmond County Virginia", by George Harrison Sanford King, 1966. This is the first location for the Charles Dodson lineage. Seventy five separate listings for the birth, death, or marriage of the descendant Dodsons are recorded beginning with "Dodson, Thomas son of Charles and Anne Dodson, 15 May 1681", found on page 47. There is no information prior to 1663 recorded here in the Registers, i. e. no birth of Charles (#1) Dodson and no listing of parents and no marriage record of Charles and Anne in this parish record. It is reasonable to speculate that Charles and Anne came to this parish after their marriage (ca 1680) but beyond that we do not know if he was a descendant or an immigrant. The information that is proposed on the birth of Charles Dodson in Richmond Co. is just not here. Old Rappahannock Co. (later Richmond and Essex) was formed out of Lancester Co. in 1656, so any recordin!
g of the birth of Charles in 1649 has to be recorded ELSEWHERE.
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There are other Dodsons in early Virginia: Gervease, William, Benjamin, Thomas, etc. who are probably not related to each other or Charles. Charles #1 just happens to be the one that we can trace and proved our ancestry.

Don't you think that 56 years (1624 to 1680) is a long time NOT to have someone mention the lineal Dodson name somewhere IF there was a direct lineage from John to Jesse to Charles?
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This forum is good for debate and of course welcomes any new factual information. On the other hand, please do not perpetuate this Eagle Plume myth or John Dods hypothesis unless you can list credible sources. Sure, we would like to believe the Dods lineage but there is NO proof. Charles Dodson is the progenitor of thousands and thousands of descendants, and we need to make sure that any new revelation about this ancestry as credible as possible. It affects all of us.

Listed as a labourer in the original 105 settlers of Jamestown with Captain John Smith (his brother-in-law, cousin?), and also a soldier in expeditions against the Indians. He is listed on "The First Settlers, 1607" and on the "Muster of Neck-of-land,Charles City" lists. He is listed as John DODS on both lists.

The 16 Feb 1623 Tax List of James City  lists John DODS and Mrs.DODS as living at the Neck of Land near James City, now Chesterfield, Virginia. in 1627.

John came to America from England aboard the Susan Constant,commanded by Master Christopher Newport. on December 19, 1606 along with Captain John Smith. The Susan Constant, along with her sister ships, the Discovery and the Godspeed, took the long route around the Canary Islands arriving on the Virginia coast on May 6, 1607. The ships were driven inland by a storm and they took refuge in the area that is now known as Hampton Roads,Virginia. They then sailed up the James River landing at Jamestown. John Dods was listed as an laborer on the passenger list for original 105 settlers of Jamestown. He was also a soldier in the expeditions against the Native Americans. John was born in England in 1588 and was 18 years old when he arrived at Jamestown. There were two other ships on this voyage, the Goodspeed, with Captain Bartholomew Gosnold and the Discovery,with Captain John Ratcliffe. They saw the Virginia Capes on April 26, 1607.  After exploring the waters of Hampton Roads they proceeded up a broad river about thirty-two miles which they named the James River. After exploring the river, Captain Newport left one hundred and four to form a settlement, and sailed to England.

Due to the poor location of the colony and the Native Americans, by September there were only forty-six survivors. The colony which had been named Jamestown in honor of King James, was the site of disease, starvation and internal problems, however John DODS survived. After a period of twelve years and more than eighteen hundred immigrants having come from England to Jamestown, there still were only six hundred colonists surviving.

He is one of only three 1607 settlers still alive in 1624. He also went with George Percy in the Pinnace when Smith in the Discovery went to visit Powhatan at Werowocomoco, and during the visit, built a house for Powhatan. This would probably have been of the same 'mud and stud' type of dwelling that has been found at Jamestown, and is unique to the East Lincolnshire area.

Another story is that John DODS married Jane DIER, one of the 57 women sent to Jamestown from England aboard the ships Marmaduke,Warwick, and Tiger in 1621, as brides for the single males at Jamestown; Jane was the youngest of the women and was said to be 15 or 16 when she arrived in Virginia. (William & Mary College 
Quarterly, January 1991 by David R. Ransome, " Wives for Virginia, 1621"  However, some also say that John DODS was married before these ships ever arrived.

Dods, John laborer  (1624 Virginia muster with wife Jane, 40 at muster, he was 36) from list of ship's passengers:

December 20, 1606, 150 passengers left Blackwall, London,England in three London (Virginia) Company ships, Susan Constant with Master Christopher Newport and 71 passengers, Godspeed with Capt. Bartholomew Gosnold  and 52 passengers and the Discovery under Capt. John Ratcliffe, carrying 21 persons. They headed for the New World and in search of the Lost Colony of Roanoke (John White's 1587 trip with  150 passengers landing at Hatorask on July 22.) After 6 weeks, the ships landed in Cape Henry,Virginia. 105 survivors established the town of Jamestown.

April 30, 1607: The ships arrive at Cape Comfort, a vanguard boat stopped at Kecoughtan where the natives welcomed the English


There is supposed to be a marker at Williamsburg, Virginia with the name of John DODS as a survivor of Jamestown.  The History Channel did a documentary on Jamestown in December 2003 and actually used the name DODSON instead of DODS.


Now here comes the weird part of the story. There was never an Plume Native America tribe. So, when people say that there was a Native American tribe by the name of Plume then they have just misquoted all of the information out there on the web.  So John's wife had to be Jane Dier, because that would be the only explanation.

There is another blog on Jane Eagle Plume (aka) Princess Nicketti, Jeannie Thornton Roberts and to be honest, I think that it's a great read and might even help with some of the confusion about this whole mess
Jane Eagle Plume and John Dods



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